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	<title>Comments on: 6000 W Touhy Ave, Or, How A North Edgebrook Community Is Fighting An Injustice</title>
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		<title>By: Markus Azadeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Azadeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for chiming in Mr./Mrs. pigman, but really, the issue has been tabled: The garage is not going to get built. And, we&#039;re all quite comfortable living where we live. Moreover, we were not complaining about our property taxes, rather, about the real possibility that the dozens of children in our subdivision could be endangered by the traffic (and its exhaust fumes) of a 300-car garage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for chiming in Mr./Mrs. pigman, but really, the issue has been tabled: The garage is not going to get built. And, we&#8217;re all quite comfortable living where we live. Moreover, we were not complaining about our property taxes, rather, about the real possibility that the dozens of children in our subdivision could be endangered by the traffic (and its exhaust fumes) of a 300-car garage.</p>
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		<title>By: pigman</title>
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		<dc:creator>pigman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quit all the whinnnnnning you still live in CHICAGO not Wilmette
The tax generated from these buisnesses keep your taxes down
I would suggest that you all move but seeing that your all city workers
most likely on disability you have to stay SO LUMP IT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quit all the whinnnnnning you still live in CHICAGO not Wilmette<br />
The tax generated from these buisnesses keep your taxes down<br />
I would suggest that you all move but seeing that your all city workers<br />
most likely on disability you have to stay SO LUMP IT</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s www.cyntergyfitness.com and the website is currently &quot;off-line&quot;, but the sign says something like &quot;sports training&quot; so while they are promoting it as a gym membership, it doesn&#039;t sound like it&#039;s a typical health club like we were expecting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s <a href="http://www.cyntergyfitness.com"  rel="nofollow">http://www.cyntergyfitness.com</a> and the website is currently &#8220;off-line&#8221;, but the sign says something like &#8220;sports training&#8221; so while they are promoting it as a gym membership, it doesn&#8217;t sound like it&#8217;s a typical health club like we were expecting.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Azadeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Azadeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s about stopping this latest endeavor, rather the subdivision&#039;s residents&#039; concerns about the construction of the 300-car garage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s about stopping this latest endeavor, rather the subdivision&#8217;s residents&#8217; concerns about the construction of the 300-car garage.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another fly-by, got a closer look at those flags. Some are for Frozen Ropes, but others are for 14.99/mo gym memberships. The URL on the flags is something like cyntenergyfitness.com, although that spelling in particular doesn&#039;t have an active site when I try it on my phone. Hope its not too late to stop him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another fly-by, got a closer look at those flags. Some are for Frozen Ropes, but others are for 14.99/mo gym memberships. The URL on the flags is something like cyntenergyfitness.com, although that spelling in particular doesn&#8217;t have an active site when I try it on my phone. Hope its not too late to stop him.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Azadeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Azadeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it&#039;s a message promoting memberships for something or another at the Frozen Ropes facility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it&#8217;s a message promoting memberships for something or another at the Frozen Ropes facility.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 01:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it a holiday sugar-induced nightmare, or did I see flags flying in front of 6000 advertising monthly rates for something or other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it a holiday sugar-induced nightmare, or did I see flags flying in front of 6000 advertising monthly rates for something or other?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:  You should come and hang out on our block for four or five days in a row (as if you lived there) and you&#039;d see what we mean.  

Putting up a sign doesn&#039;t do anything.  People going down Touhy blow the light all the time (my husband pulled out onto Touhy on a green light and was t-boned by an elderly man in June 06 and still suffers problems from it), and a red light doesn&#039;t stop people from turning LEFT so I don&#039;t know why a sign would work any better.

The frequency of the light needs to be changed by IDOT, not the city, and several letters have been written to them, but it seems like it will take an act of congress to get this done.  And this would not solve all the problems, just ease the congestion a little.

You must not have children or you wouldn&#039;t be telling people to be better parents.  We are very good parents, but there are cars speeding down our streets at 40 mph because they realize they are in a dead-end and must go around to go back out onto Touhy.  There are also 18 wheelers who mistakenly turn down our streets thinking they can get to Target or Costco or any of the other businesses on Gross Point Road.  A child doesn&#039;t have a chance (even a well-behaved, obedient child) against an 18-wheeler!

And no, we don&#039;t think our kids should be in a bubble.  They should be free to run and play in their own neighborhood without excess polution and fumes from too many cars in one place.  

And I expect any business owner in the area to pay their property taxes JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.  It&#039;s just an example of the sneakiness that is going on since this guy came to our neighborhood.  

Come to the next advisory board meeting and get yourself informed before you weigh in on something you don&#039;t know much about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:  You should come and hang out on our block for four or five days in a row (as if you lived there) and you&#8217;d see what we mean.  </p>
<p>Putting up a sign doesn&#8217;t do anything.  People going down Touhy blow the light all the time (my husband pulled out onto Touhy on a green light and was t-boned by an elderly man in June 06 and still suffers problems from it), and a red light doesn&#8217;t stop people from turning LEFT so I don&#8217;t know why a sign would work any better.</p>
<p>The frequency of the light needs to be changed by IDOT, not the city, and several letters have been written to them, but it seems like it will take an act of congress to get this done.  And this would not solve all the problems, just ease the congestion a little.</p>
<p>You must not have children or you wouldn&#8217;t be telling people to be better parents.  We are very good parents, but there are cars speeding down our streets at 40 mph because they realize they are in a dead-end and must go around to go back out onto Touhy.  There are also 18 wheelers who mistakenly turn down our streets thinking they can get to Target or Costco or any of the other businesses on Gross Point Road.  A child doesn&#8217;t have a chance (even a well-behaved, obedient child) against an 18-wheeler!</p>
<p>And no, we don&#8217;t think our kids should be in a bubble.  They should be free to run and play in their own neighborhood without excess polution and fumes from too many cars in one place.  </p>
<p>And I expect any business owner in the area to pay their property taxes JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.  It&#8217;s just an example of the sneakiness that is going on since this guy came to our neighborhood.  </p>
<p>Come to the next advisory board meeting and get yourself informed before you weigh in on something you don&#8217;t know much about.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Azadeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Azadeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,
thanks for chiming in with your thoughts on this subject. You bring up a number of good points, and some that I disagree with, but let&#039;s tackle them one-by-one:
&gt;&gt;&quot;No turn on red&quot;-sign. Pure torture, with a 3 min. red-light cycle for Meade, but that&#039;s not the main problem that makes this intersection so accident-prone. The problem is that Touhy traffic (both east and westbound) is so used to speeding on that stretch (because they know they have a long green light) that sometimes they can&#039;t stop on time to avoid collisions with Meade traffic. I&#039;ve personally witnessed this, and when I get a green light on Meade, I make sure to wait an extra 2 or 3 seconds before turning onto Touhy. Now, if you suggested the installation of a red-light camera for Touhy traffic, I&#039;d be all ears.

&gt;&gt; Changes in the traffic light system on Meade. Yes Sir, I&#039;m in full agreement with you on that. Only, it hasn&#039;t been happening for years, and it&#039;s not because it hasn&#039;t been applied for. Btw, the traffic light on Meade was financed by Target around the corner. I wonder if they have any say in the frequency of light changes.

&gt;&gt;Children playing around the building. Well, Steve, believe it or not, but right around the Meade Ave. entrance of 6000 W Touhy, there are a number of families that have children of varying ages. Where else would they ride their bikes, or hang out with their neighborhood friends other than around their own homes? Now, I do agree with you that parents should always keep an eye on their children. However, keep in mind that this is sort of a cul-de-sac subdivision where you wouldn&#039;t expect the kind of vehicular traffic that you ordinarily see on Chicago side streets.

&gt;&gt;Exhaust fumes. The issue of exhaust fumes is not an issue at the moment. A respectable number of cars (as a result of a 288-car parking garage) waiting at the never-ending Meade Ave. red light though, makes it become one. It&#039;s called carbon-monoxide concentration. Aside from the kids, Steve, I wouldn&#039;t even want you to be subjected to that, sitting in your car, waiting for the green light. Yes, we&#039;re all surrounded by pollution, but does it become an issue only when we&#039;re all dead? Speaking of the train tracks on Lehigh, you have a good point: Those Metra and Amtrak trains are noisy and smelly. But guess what: I&#039;d much rather suffer from their noise and pollution than have to read about people get hit and killed by them, as has happened twice this year in Edgebrook.

&gt;&gt;Mr. Tountas&#039; property taxes. First off, let me tell you that I agree with you that Mr. Tountas&#039; property taxes have nothing to do with the dispute between him and the residents of the subdivision, on the subject of the proposed parking garage. And if you noticed, in my response to the comment of McVicker resident, I did disagree with him that Mr. Tountas had anything sinister going on with regard to the property taxes on his building. However, I&#039;m sure you are aware that property tax information about properties in Cook County are not stored in a &quot;secret&quot; black box. They are public information, and anyone has permission/access to this information, simply by visiting the websites of the Cook County Assessor and the Cook County Treasurer, alternatively filing a Freedom of Information Act request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,<br />
thanks for chiming in with your thoughts on this subject. You bring up a number of good points, and some that I disagree with, but let&#8217;s tackle them one-by-one:<br />
>>&#8221;No turn on red&#8221;-sign. Pure torture, with a 3 min. red-light cycle for Meade, but that&#8217;s not the main problem that makes this intersection so accident-prone. The problem is that Touhy traffic (both east and westbound) is so used to speeding on that stretch (because they know they have a long green light) that sometimes they can&#8217;t stop on time to avoid collisions with Meade traffic. I&#8217;ve personally witnessed this, and when I get a green light on Meade, I make sure to wait an extra 2 or 3 seconds before turning onto Touhy. Now, if you suggested the installation of a red-light camera for Touhy traffic, I&#8217;d be all ears.</p>
<p>>> Changes in the traffic light system on Meade. Yes Sir, I&#8217;m in full agreement with you on that. Only, it hasn&#8217;t been happening for years, and it&#8217;s not because it hasn&#8217;t been applied for. Btw, the traffic light on Meade was financed by Target around the corner. I wonder if they have any say in the frequency of light changes.</p>
<p>>>Children playing around the building. Well, Steve, believe it or not, but right around the Meade Ave. entrance of 6000 W Touhy, there are a number of families that have children of varying ages. Where else would they ride their bikes, or hang out with their neighborhood friends other than around their own homes? Now, I do agree with you that parents should always keep an eye on their children. However, keep in mind that this is sort of a cul-de-sac subdivision where you wouldn&#8217;t expect the kind of vehicular traffic that you ordinarily see on Chicago side streets.</p>
<p>>>Exhaust fumes. The issue of exhaust fumes is not an issue at the moment. A respectable number of cars (as a result of a 288-car parking garage) waiting at the never-ending Meade Ave. red light though, makes it become one. It&#8217;s called carbon-monoxide concentration. Aside from the kids, Steve, I wouldn&#8217;t even want you to be subjected to that, sitting in your car, waiting for the green light. Yes, we&#8217;re all surrounded by pollution, but does it become an issue only when we&#8217;re all dead? Speaking of the train tracks on Lehigh, you have a good point: Those Metra and Amtrak trains are noisy and smelly. But guess what: I&#8217;d much rather suffer from their noise and pollution than have to read about people get hit and killed by them, as has happened twice this year in Edgebrook.</p>
<p>>>Mr. Tountas&#8217; property taxes. First off, let me tell you that I agree with you that Mr. Tountas&#8217; property taxes have nothing to do with the dispute between him and the residents of the subdivision, on the subject of the proposed parking garage. And if you noticed, in my response to the comment of McVicker resident, I did disagree with him that Mr. Tountas had anything sinister going on with regard to the property taxes on his building. However, I&#8217;m sure you are aware that property tax information about properties in Cook County are not stored in a &#8220;secret&#8221; black box. They are public information, and anyone has permission/access to this information, simply by visiting the websites of the Cook County Assessor and the Cook County Treasurer, alternatively filing a Freedom of Information Act request.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Krypchinsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Krypchinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all those people complaining about accidents on Meade Street, this can be fixed by putting a simple sign on the light that says &quot;no turn on red&quot;. Second, the light frequency should be changed by the city. By this i mean that it should change from green to red more often, and be green for a little longer duration. This would help if there were a parking garage that was being built that required more cars to exit. Third, to those who are complaining about children in the subdivision; this building is facing a very small portion of the subdivision, and is located near the exit. I don&#039;t see why any parent would let there children walk alone to the exit of the subdivision, which is Touhy Ave. A very high traffic area and busy street. Thats just bad parenting. DON&#039;T LET YOUR KIDS WALK THROUGH BUSY STREETS ALONE! Anyone who is complaining about exhaust fumes.... please.... put your children in a bubble if your going to think about the environment or move out of the chicagoland area and go somewhere rural. The train tracks on lehigh are less than a half mile away, you don&#039;t complain to the government to move that big polluting noisy beast? That is not a valid excuse. And for the people nosing into Gus&#039;s property taxes? This is not your business, nor anyone&#039;s but Gus&#039;s and the city of Chicago. You have no right to snoop around, and even worse, criticize this man based on his property taxes. The parking garage is made for 300 cars, but there is no way 300 cars will ever be there at once or leave at the same time. Get the light fixed and there will be no congestion on Meade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all those people complaining about accidents on Meade Street, this can be fixed by putting a simple sign on the light that says &#8220;no turn on red&#8221;. Second, the light frequency should be changed by the city. By this i mean that it should change from green to red more often, and be green for a little longer duration. This would help if there were a parking garage that was being built that required more cars to exit. Third, to those who are complaining about children in the subdivision; this building is facing a very small portion of the subdivision, and is located near the exit. I don&#8217;t see why any parent would let there children walk alone to the exit of the subdivision, which is Touhy Ave. A very high traffic area and busy street. Thats just bad parenting. DON&#8217;T LET YOUR KIDS WALK THROUGH BUSY STREETS ALONE! Anyone who is complaining about exhaust fumes&#8230;. please&#8230;. put your children in a bubble if your going to think about the environment or move out of the chicagoland area and go somewhere rural. The train tracks on lehigh are less than a half mile away, you don&#8217;t complain to the government to move that big polluting noisy beast? That is not a valid excuse. And for the people nosing into Gus&#8217;s property taxes? This is not your business, nor anyone&#8217;s but Gus&#8217;s and the city of Chicago. You have no right to snoop around, and even worse, criticize this man based on his property taxes. The parking garage is made for 300 cars, but there is no way 300 cars will ever be there at once or leave at the same time. Get the light fixed and there will be no congestion on Meade.</p>
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