Melvina Ave At Touhy Ave In North Edgebrook Is A Two-Way Street: Some Residents Don’t Like It
60646 Blog reader and North Edgebrook resident, Dennis Paterka, has asked me to publish on 60646 Blog a few pieces of correspondence that he has submitted regarding the decision that was made a while back to remove the “right-turn only” sign in Niles, where Melvina Ave. intersects Touhy Ave. I am giving Mr. Paterka a discussion platform on 60646 Blog, because (a) his – and his immediate neighbors’ – issue is an Edgebrook quality of life concern from their point of view, and (b) it’s a subject that may have ramifications for neighborhood real estate values, and 60646 Blog is mainly a real estate blog. Please understand though that just because Mr. Paterka is receiving a platform here, does NOT necessarily mean that I agree with everything he writes, says, or opines. It’s merely meant to encourage others to join into a discussion, and exchange viewpoints. While doing so, please remember to keep the debate civilized. Younger audiences might be reading here, as well.
Deputy Chief Counsel Lance Jones, IDOT – Room 324, 2300 South Dirksen Parkway, Springfield, IL 62764
September 28, 2009
Address: redacted
Telephone number: redacted
email address: redactedDear Mr Jones,
You have been referred to me in the attached letter from Ms. Barbara Brush for further questions concerning the IDOT traffic signals at the location of Melvina and Touhy. This letter states that the traffic signals were installed as a result of a permit issued to Niles. If Niles has the right to request that the traffic signals be installed, conversely I have the right to request that Niles€™ permit be revoked and the traffic signals be removed as they have now become a hazard to the residents of the 7100 block of north Melvina in Chicago and the Chicago neighborhood of North Edgebrook for the following reasons:
In July of 2007 Niles eliminated a right turn only lane on Melvina in Niles (picture attached). The result has been an enormous increase in traffic using the residential street of the 7100 block of north Melvina in Chicago and the Chicago residential neighborhood of North Edgebrook as a thoroughfare and arterial route for entering and exiting the Niles commercial/industrial area. The specific hazards created by the traffic signals are as follows:
1) They create an inter-residential neighborhood arterial route the goes past three child populated areas, Wildwood Park, Wildwood grammar school and Saint Mary of the Woods grammar school. It is not safe for the children of North Edgebrook for all this traffic to be allowed to run through the neighborhood and it is just a question of time until some kid gets hit.
2) The significant increase in volume of non residential traffic and the recklessness with which this non residential traffic uses the North Edgebrook neighborhood degrades the safety of residents and property such as parked cars.
3) The degradation of safety because of the number of industrial trucks entering Melvina into Chicago from Niles ignoring the posting of no trucks over 5 tons.
4) The degradation of quality of life for Melvina residents because of noise and auto pollution, litter and vandalism from the above mentioned traffic.
5) The negative effect the above has on property values.
6) The stress from the above combined affects health.
7) The destructive effects the increase traffic load is having on the subterranean infrastructure of North Edgebrook streets. Since Niles eliminated the right turn only lane in 2007 the 7000 block of Tahoma which doglegs from Melvina has suffered two water main breaks and a collapsed manhole cover. This leads me to worry if the same traffic stress could be affecting the gas main crossovers that are underneath the streets of North Edgebrook. These are Chicago residential streets that were built in 1952 to 1952 residential standards at a time when the Niles commercial/industrial area that the traffic signals at Melvina and Touhy now service was still native prairie and the dilapidated ILG park. They were never designed to carry the traffic load of being an arterial route for a Niles commercial/industrial area. From the attached correspondence with Peoples Gas their response is that they don’t do traffic studies to determine this issue. Also attached is correspondence from the Chicago Department of Transportation’s Freedom of Information Officer that states Chicago also has done no traffic studies.
And for whatever its worth, from the quantity of information which I received from both Ms. Brush and Niles under the Freedom of Information Act concerning the installation of the traffic signals at Melvina and Touhy it is dumbfounding that on one hand IDOT had to put an incredible amount of effort into the installation of these traffic signals but on the other hand made no effort whatsoever to inform the residents of the 7100 bock of Melvina that these traffic signals were going to be installed. As well, neither IDOT or Niles was able to present the original permit to install the traffic signals at Melvina and Touhy, as such it is my contention that there is no permit and the traffic signals at Melvina and Touhy are therefore illegal.
Five copies of the letter attached to Niles Mayor Callero have been sent to the Niles Village Hall, two via certified mail, trying to resolve this issue but all have been ignored, as such I would like to have whatever applications are necessary sent to me to have the traffics signals at Melvina and Touhy removed in order to eliminate the hazards listed above. Attached you will find a petition from Melvina residents to have the 7100 block of north Melvina be made a one way street to show that there is community support for my request.Respectfully,
Dennis Paterka
Mayor Robert Callero, 1000 Civic Center Drive, Niles, IL 60714
May 18, 2009
Address: redacted
Telephone number: redacted
email address: redactedDear Mayor Callero,
It has become necessary to bring to your attention the intersection of Melvina and Touhy on the Niles – Chicago border. As you can see from the enclosed picture Niles eliminated a right turn only lane in July 2007 that had been in place on Melvina in Niles for ten years. The removal of this right turn only lane has caused this intersection to become a hazard to residents of Melvina in Chicago and the neighborhood of North Edgebrook for the following reasons:
1) The significant increase in volume of non residential traffic that is now entering Melvina in Chicago from Niles and the recklessness of this non residential traffic degrades the safety of residents and in particular children.
2) The degradation of safety because of the number of industrial trucks entering Melvina in Chicago from Niles which is posted for no trucks over 5 tons.
3) The degradation of quality of life because of noise and auto pollution and litter from the above mentioned traffic.
4) The negative effect the above has on property values.
It is just a question of time until some child gets hit by this traffic! How is it humanly possible for Niles, Where People Count, to ignore the lives and safety of children?
Please save yourself the trouble of forwarding this letter to Scott Jochim and George Van Geem for a response. I have already heard them espouse ordinances, viability and the Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices. The stop light at this intersection was installed at the request of Niles and required a variance because of its proximity the stop light at Mobile and Touhy and as such Niles should take responsibility for any hazard that this stop light incurs. The rules were bent to have it installed and this intersection created and as such should continue to require variances to prevent this intersection from becoming more of a hazard than it has already become with the removal of the right turn only lane.
Of course it would be unreasonable to remove the stop light at Melvina and Touhy but considering the amount of money Niles makes in sales and property taxes from Target/CostCo/YMCA and the adjacent industrial area it would not be unreasonable for Niles to take responsibility for the safety of this intersection and all those which it negatively effects because the existence of this intersection was made at Niles’ request.
As such I would like to ask Niles to put back the right turn only with a safety island as enclosed example pictures show so that this intersection will stop being a hazard to Melvina in Chicago and North Edgebrook residents and children.
Your experience I this issue will be greatly appreciated.Respectfully,
Dennis Paterka
Governor Quinn, 100 W. Randolph Street, Suite 16-100, Chicago, IL 60601
October 10, 2009
Address: redacted
Telephone number: redacted
email address: redactedDear Governor Quinn,
While an IDOT traffic signal may seem a trivial thing to have to bring to a governor’s attention, from the attached letter from IDOT’s Freedom of Information Officer Ms Barbara Brush it is stated that IDOT has the authority to install a traffic signal without ordinance. As such the only elected authority to which IDOT answers to is the governors office and therefore my only recourse against the hazard of the IDOT traffic signal at Melvina and Touhy on the Chicago Niles border is to bring my complaint to the governors office.
The extent of the IDOT traffic signal hazard is fully described in the attached letters to IDOT Deputy Chief Counsel Lance Jones and Niles Mayor Robert Callero. Without a watchdog neither IDOT or Niles has any incentive or concern to reverse/improve the hazard of the Melvina and Touhy traffic signal. Can the governors office help me improve this hazard?Respectfully,
Dennis Paterka
To: Alderman Doherty
THIS IS THE ISSUE: MELVINA HAS BECOME A TOILET FOR NILES’ TRAFFIC
1) TRUCKS – Melvina has become established as a truck route for the Niles industrial area. Industrial trucks of all shapes and sizes up to semis routinely use Melvina for a shortcut. Melvina is posted for no trucks over 5 tons.
2) Safety – the less traffic on Melvina = more safety for Melvina residents.
3) Property Values – the value of a house on a thoroughfare for a Niles’ Retail/YMCA/Industrial Complex vs. the value of a house on a Chicago one way street.
4) Quality of Life – less traffic NOISE POLLUTION, less auto pollution, less worry about parking resident’s cars on the street, less danger about pulling out of driveways because of speeding vehicles, less litter thrown from vehicles and better safety for children.
5) Traffic has increased OVER TEN TIMES on the residential street of 7100 north Melvina since being repaved and the elimination of the right turn only lane by on Melvina in Niles. Quit hiding in Oriole Park and hold a community meeting and find out for yourself!
6) The stop signs that were petitioned for by Melvina & Tahoma residents and suggested by CDOT were never installed at Melvina, Estes and Tahoma making them even more critical.
7) Damage to subterranean infrastructure, gas, water and sewer mains.
8`) Since the 7100 block of Nagle and the 6400 block of Algonquin which are both in the Edgebrook triangle have been made one-way, under what standard have these streets been made one-way and why isn’t that same standard being used for Melvina which has a worse traffic problem than either of these streets because of the stoplight at Melvina and Touhy, or is a double standard being used?
9) Streams of traffic use Melvina in Chicago between 4-7 pm weekdays and all afternoon on weekends.
And when you do nothing and in the process of doing nothing allow a Chicago residential street to become a thoroughfare and truck route for a Niles’ Industrial/Retail/YMCA complex thereby jeopardizing the safety of Chicagoans, whom are you representing, Niles or Chicago?
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My proposal,
The first thing I want to say is that on one hand there is no “Win – Win” remedy for the Target/CostCo/YMCA/Niles traffic impact on North Edgebrook, on the other hand ever since the day Target became our neighbor the traffic/litter impact on North Edgebrook has been a “Lose – Lose” situation for North Edgebrook.
For a 90 day trial period, the streets of Merrimac, Melvina and Moody be closed immediately south of the allies using traffic horses. At the south entrance of each street be placed a traffic horse with a sign reading “Road Closed – Local Traffic Only”. The southeast corner of Estes and Caldwell be made No Right Turn with a traffic horse being placed parallel to Caldwell at the southeast corner to prevent traffic from ignoring the No Right Turn. After the trial period if all is acceptable the barriers at Merrimac, Melvina and Moody be made permanent incorporating traffic barrels into the barriers to allow for emergency/services (garbage trucks) vehicles to pass through and the corner at the southeast corner of Estes and Caldwell be squared to prevent traffic from ignoring the No Right Turn.
Doing the status quo of nothing is not an option if North Edgebrook residents want to protect their safety, property values and quality of life. I’m open to all suggestions but please, all naysayers include your solution with your comment.
Woops, I should have added my name to the above proposal.
Dennis Paterka
Dennis, I’m gonna go ahead and break the ice here, by asking a couple of questions. Although I don’t live too far from this location, I am not totally privy to some of the details of the issue, but I trust that you are. Perhaps you can enlighten us a bit.
With regard to the petition that you sent to Ald. Doherty, I’m interested in the following:
Was there any response from the Alderman’s office regarding question number 8 (standards for making a street one-way), and if so, what was it?
I guess the much bigger question though is: How did the City of Chicago – or Ald. Doherty’s office for that matter – justify switching Melvina south of Touhy from a one-way street to a two-way street? Was the Village of Niles the party that requested this change, and if so, WHY did they request that, and what horse-trade was subsequently made, if any?[see my comment below]Also, what is the purpose of the 90-day trial period that you are requesting to basically make North Edgebrook accessible for local traffic only? And in the same context, asking to make Moody Ave. – which feeds into Hiawatha Ave. – a “local traffic zone only”, is like asking to shut down Lehigh Ave. between Touhy and Devon Ave. Just not a realistic scenario imho, especially with all the traffic feeding into Wildwood School.
Misunderstanding on my end: Melvina at Touhy Ave. (on the Chicago side) was never a one-way street. The Village of Niles had a sign at Melvina and Touhy that showed a “right-turn only”. When that sign was removed, traffic going south on Melvina Ave. was able to traverse Touhy Ave. and enter Melvina which has led to the situation that we’re now in. Thanks for clarifying Dennis. Note to self: Improve reading skills…
I would still be interested in knowing why the Village of Niles eliminated the right-turn-only sign at this intersection.
The answers are:
1) There was no response from Alderman Doherty concerning under what standards Nagle and Algonquin were made one way streets and Melvina could not.
2) Melvina has always been a two way street. I circulated a petition to get Melvina made into a one way street immediately after Niles eliminated the right turn only lane on Melvina in Niles in August 2007 since a precedent has been established when Nagle and Algonquin were made one way streets.
3) The purpose of the 90-day trial period is to basically make North Edgebrook accessible for local traffic only, to experiment if this is an expectable solution to North Edgebrook residents and to learn what adjustments if any would need to be made from this learning experience. Since Niles eliminated the right turn only lane on Melvina in Niles the amount of traffic that is now using Melvina and the connecting streets of Estes, Mankato, McAlpin and Hiawatha has increased greater than fifteen times. This is non neighborhood traffic that just wants to get from Melvina and Touhy to Estes and Caldwell and Hiawatha and Lehigh (and vice versa) as fast as possible without any regard that the are traveling on residential streets nor to the safety of North Edgebrook residents in particular children. The speed of this traffic and how this traffic routinely rolls stop signs proves my point. Melvina has virtually and literally become a dragstrip for traffic entering and leaving the Target/CostCo/YMCA/Niles industrial area. This increase in traffic degrades the safety, quality of life and property values of North Edgebrook.
4) I’m willing to estimate that 98% of the traffic that passes through the child populated campus area of SMOW/Wildwood School/Wildwood Park is now non neighborhood traffic. Access to North Edgebrook could still done via Mason, Ionia, Mankato, Mobile, Estes, Greenleaf, McAlpin, Moselle, Mendota, Tonty, Wildwood, Jean, Lightfoot, Loron, Loleta, Keota, Chicora, Ponchartain, Waukesha, Minnetonka, Leoti and Hiawatha.
5) A far reaching idealistic plan would be to make the SMOW/Wildwood School/Wildwood Park area an actual true campus.
6) Merrimac, Melvina and Moody are all sister streets joined at the hip. What effects one will automatically effect the others and as such any change would have to be done in unison.
7) “asking to make Moody Ave. – which feeds into Hiawatha Ave. – a “local traffic zone onlyâ€, is like asking to shut down Lehigh Ave. between Touhy and Devon Ave.” I don’t understand this question. Lehigh is a major arterial street, Moody and Hiawatha are residential streets, as such I don’t follow the comparison.
8 ) Is there anyway I can post on this blog the before and after picture PDF of when Melvina in Niles was a right turn only lane and when that right run only lane on Melvina in Niles what eliminated by Niles?
Dennis Paterka
re 3) My guess is that we’d see less car traffic in the Caldwell-Touhy-Lehigh triangle. But that’s to be expected.
re 4) I don’t know how anyone could put a percentage on what portion of the traffic is local and what portion isn’t. But aren’t you just shifting the problem to your North Edgebrook neighbors to the east of you when you say “access to North Edgebrook could still be done via Mason, Ionia, Mankato, Mobile, Estes, Greenleaf…?”
re 5) Dennis, realistically speaking, who’s going to make that happen? We are still a neighborhood within the City of Chicago. Actually, the city doesn’t even acknowledge us as Edgebrook or, *gasp* Wildwood. They lump us into the community of “Forest Glen”, believe it or not. We’re lucky if we get street cleaning once a month. But, it’s ok to dream a little…
re 6) Agreed.
re 7) Well, it was more of a tongue-in-cheek kind of a remark. Hiawatha Ave. – while being a residential street – has somewhat of an arterial street character to it. Say for example, someone was planning on traveling from Wildwood School to downtown/uptown Edgebrook. They could take Hiawatha straight down to Lehigh and then to Devon, or, they could take Mendota Ave down to Caldwell, risk getting hit by speeding cars on Caldwell upon turning south, and making their way all the way to Devon Ave. I would take Hiawatha every time, and so do a lot of other folks that I observe. My point being: Moody / Hiawatha is a major thoroughfare that can’t be restricted to just local traffic.
re 8 ) you can send me the pictures by email, and I’ll be happy to post them for you.
As to why Niles eliminated the right turn only lane on Melvina in Niles, Niles isn’t talking. Apparently Niles is a Village “Where People Count” but only if your from Niles.
It figures.
4) a] My estimate comes from the following: I frequently go for walks/bicycle rides down Hiawatha – judging from the number of cars that fly down Hiawatha rolling stop signs and those that drive down Hiawatha with care as if they were from the neighborhood it is my judgment that 98% of the traffic just wants to drive down Hiawatha as fast as it possibly can caring less that they are in a residential neighborhood. b] my hope is that the traffic impact will be shifted to the arterial streets of Touhy, Caldwell and Lehigh were it belongs instead of endangering the residential streets of North Edgebrook. Thus the 90 day trial.
5) a] “who’s going to make that happen?” is an excellent question. Hopefully a new alderman in February, 2011. b] “the city doesn’t even acknowledge us as Edgebrook or, *gasp* Wildwood.” This is another excellent point. Right now the Edgebrook triangle is divided into North Edgebrook, Wildwood, Regular Edgebrook. Another far reaching idea to get recognition for the Edgebrook triangle would be to somehow make it into one big community instead of being divided. I would call the whole triangle Wildwood. c] IMHO the street sweeping is a joke and just a means to collect on parking tickets. All the street sweeper does is blow the litter onto the other side of the street one day and when it comes back the next day the sweeper blows it back to were it was the day before.
7) “I would take Hiawatha every time, and so do a lot of other folks that I observe.” Exactly my point. The traffic impact is destroying the residential character of North Edgebrook and making North Edgebrook the victim of growth instead of the beneficiary. Having grown up in North Edgebrook I know what the residential character of North Edgebrook used to be and that character has deteriorated by the traffic impact, degrading the safety, quality of life and property values of North Edgebrook and needs to be restored/reversed.
Dennis Paterka